In this episode, Bonnie is joined by Brian Sanders, founder of the Sapien Center, and they discuss the creation and philosophy behind the Sapien Center in Austin. They delve into the concept of holistic health, distinguishing between traditional and industrially processed foods. Brian shares his personal journey from following conventional dietary guidelines to discovering the true essence of health through real, unprocessed foods. They also explore the historical and economic factors influencing dietary recommendations and the importance of embracing a more natural and whole approach to wellness.

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